Today I got into the weirdest Twitter conversation. And I mean seriously weird. And it ended up with me being blocked by Helen Razor. Which is ironic because I had stopped following her a couple of months ago because I found her to be … not my cup of tea. I’ve never been blocked before. It was highly amusing. So I thought I’d publish the transcript.
I’ve put the time stamp beside every tweet because, in the way of twitter conversations, things were not quite as singularly linear as a timeline like this represents. But I don’t want to misrepresent how the conversation flowed. So anyway, here it is.
It began with me reading an article of Helen’s on Crikey: Target’s tramp gear just child’s play.
I decided to engage Helen in some debate about her article, largely because I didn’t agree with it, but partly because I think she’d misunderstood the original mother’s intent who posted on the Target page – and was missing all mothers’ concerns – in this area. Being a mum who has written about this extensively, I thought we’d exchange ideas and agree to disagree. You know, share ideas, listen to each other and then move on.
Not quite. Here’s how our conversation actually went.
3.09 FelicityMoore: “Important to remember kids just see cloth and it is we who see meaning. ” Not true.The hysteria is coz girls want to be sexy.
3.10 HelenRazer: Please argue sensibly.
3.11 FelicityMoore: No problem. http://bit.ly/MpvCts
3.12 HelenRazer: I do not think you read my piece. Children have no understanding of “sexy” in the symbolic terms we do.
FelicityMoore: You sort of missed the point a little. I did read your article. You misunderstood where mums are coming from.
3.13 FelicityMoore: Girls can dress up all they want. This is not about stopping dress-ups in kitten heels. It’s about children approaching onset
3.13 FelicityMoore: of puberty and adulthood at the correct times for their development.
3.14 FelicityMoore: It’s the mimicry of the sexy behaviour that is unnecessary. Kids don’t understand sexy, therefore should not try ‘being’ sexy.
3.15 FelicityMoore: No, they don’t. You must be right then! (In reply to Helen’s 3.12 tweet)
3.16 HelenRazer: Dude. Read what I’ve written then argue with that. Or nick off.
3.17 FelicityMoore: Interesting response when someone tries to engage…
3.15 HelenRazer: Dude. If those kids make you uncomfortable then that is entirely your problem.
3.16 FelicityMoore: You’re still missing the point, but I suspect being deliberately obtuse. For the humour angle? *shrug*
HelenRazor: It makes you uncomfortable. That’s it. There’s no evidence it harms kids. None. I have written about this multiply times. Nick off.
3.18 HelenRazer: Dude. I have 1000 words for you to read. I have no responsibility to argue my case again with someone in a Bit of a Mood.
3.19 FelicityMoore: Hee hee. A Bit of a Mood?
3.18 FelicityMoore: In fact there’s a significant level of evidence that suggests sexualisation of young girls is very damaging to self-esteem.
3.20 HelenRazor: The idea of ‘self-esteem’ is one that is flawed + discredited by many social theorists. You’re arguing in predictable circles.
3.20 HelenRazer: Frankly, I can’t argue with your reasoning as I find it rooted in suspicion rather than logic. This can’t end well.
3.20 FelicityMoore: Helen, so far most of your responses have ended with “Nick off”. I’m just chatting, dude. *shrug* Someone’s in a mood.
3.21 HelenRazor: I am going to block you now because I really don’t want to be served re-heated half-baked arguments. Bye.
3.22 HelenRazer: Please leave me alone. I have written a piece with which you have chosen not to argue. Enough
And then I was notified that she had blocked me.
So… what do you think? Was I crazy, aggressive, rabidly hostile bitch refusing to entertain others’ views?
I also gained several followers after she blocked me. And then I saw this tweet from @thegreenrat: “I’ve been blocked by Helen Razor, after agreeing with her post, which is weird. This bothers me more than it should”
Oh-kaay then Helen. That is certainly unusual behaviour.
I also read this tweet from Helen: The question should be “You fucking idiot parents. Why aren’t you more concerned that some kid in China made those hot-pants?”
She doesn’t think much of parents, does she? Perhaps that’s where her hostility toward me stemmed from? I’m a parent. *shrug*
For what it’s worth, in parts I do agree with her. And for parents who don’t like Target clothes, we can easily shop elsewhere (although I am a regular Target shopper and love their leggings and tops range for Miss 4). And as for our ‘tween daughters leaving the house in inappropriate outfits, I agree with Wendy Harmer’s point: “Where do you think you’re going dressed like that, young lady?”.
Anyway, Helen Razor has 7000-plus followers who like her particular brand of logic and … debate. Live and let live, I say. And I don’t think it’s true that the Triple J years were the best of your career, Helen.